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Alt 15.02.2008, 17:44   #76
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We Have a NEW Heavyweight Champion of the World!!

Champion of Flip Flopping
Poor old McInsane --he's so muddled that he forgot that he was against torture before he voted for it. But he's a Man of Honor
Mr. McCain, a former prisoner of war, has consistently voiced opposition to waterboarding and other methods that critics say is a form torture. But the Republicans, confident of a White House veto, did not mount the challenge. Mr. McCain voted “no” on Wednesday afternoon.
He’s such a maverick he disagrees with himself.

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February 16, 2008

Unofficial Tallies in City Understated Obama Vote

By SAM ROBERTS

Black voters are heavily represented in the 94th Election District in Harlem’s 70th Assembly District. Yet according to the unofficial results from the New York Democratic primary last week, not a single vote in the district was cast for Senator Barack Obama.

That anomaly was not unique. In fact, a review by The New York Times of the unofficial results reported on primary night found about 80 election districts among the city’s 6,106 where Mr. Obama supposedly did not receive even one vote, including cases where he ran a respectable race in a nearby district.

City election officials this week said that their formal review of the results, which will not be completed for weeks, had confirmed some major discrepancies between the vote totals reported publicly — and unofficially — on primary night and the actual tally on hundreds of voting machines across the city.

In the Harlem district, for instance, where the primary night returns suggested a 141 to 0 sweep by Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, the vote now stands at 261 to 136. In an even more heavily black district in Brooklyn — where the vote on primary night was recorded as 118 to 0 for Mrs. Clinton — she now barely leads, 118 to 116.


The history of New York elections has been punctuated by episodes of confusion, incompetence and even occasional corruption. And election officials and lawyers for both Mr. Obama and Mrs. Clinton agree that it is not uncommon for mistakes to be made by weary inspectors rushing on election night to transcribe columns of numbers that are delivered first to the police and then to the news media.

That said, in a presidential campaign in which every vote at the Democratic National Convention may count, a swing of even a couple of hundred votes in New York might help Mr. Obama gain a few additional delegates.

City election officials said they were convinced that there was nothing sinister to account for the inaccurate initial counts, and The Times’s review found a handful of election districts in the city where Mrs. Clinton received zero votes in the initial results.

“It looked like a lot of the numbers were wrong, probably the result of human error,” said Marcus Cederqvist, who was named executive director of the Board of Elections last month. He said such discrepancies between the unofficial and final count rarely affected the raw vote outcome because “they’re not usually that big.”

On primary night, Mrs. Clinton was leading with 57 percent to Mr. Obama’s 40 percent in New York State, which meant she stood to win 139 delegates to Mr. Obama’s 93, with 49 others known as superdelegates going to the national convention unaffiliated.

Jerome A. Koenig, a former chief of staff to the State Assembly’s election law committee and a lawyer for the Obama campaign, suggested that some of the discrepancy resulted from the design of the ballot.

Candidates were listed from left to right in an order selected by drawing lots. Mrs. Clinton was first, followed by Gov. Bill Richardson and Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr., who in most election districts received zero votes, and by John Edwards, who got relatively few. Mr. Obama was fifth, just before Representative Dennis J. Kucinich.

Mr. Koenig said he seriously doubted that anything underhanded was at work because local politicians care more about elections that matter specifically to them.

“They steal votes for elections like Assembly District leader, where people have a personal stake,” he said.

A number of political leaders also scoffed at the possibility that local politicians, even if they considered it vital that Mr. Obama or Mrs. Clinton prevail in the primary, were capable of even trying to hijack such a contest.

Still, for those inclined to consider conspiracy theories, the figures provided plenty of grist.

The 94th Election District in Harlem, for instance, sits within the Congressional district represented by Charles B. Rangel, an original supporter of Mrs. Clinton.

Assemblyman Keith L. T. Wright, a Clinton supporter who represents the same area, said he was confident that there was an innocent explanation for the original count giving Mr. Obama zero votes.

“I’m sure it’s a clerical error of some sort,” Mr. Wright said. “Being around elections for the last 25 years, no candidate receives zero votes.”

But Gordon J. Davis, a former New York City parks commissioner and an Obama poll watcher in the district, remained skeptical, even after being informed of the corrected count.

“First it was reported at 141 to 0, now it’s 261 to 136 in an Assembly district that went 12,000 to 8,000 for Barack,” Mr. Davis said on Friday.

“I was watching like a hawk, but how did I know the machine had a mind of its own?” he added. “And I speak as one who grew up on the South Side of Chicago where we delivered the margin of victory for John F. Kennedy at 4 in the morning.”

At the sprawling Riverside Park Community apartments at Broadway and 135th Street, Alician D. Barksdale said she had voted for Mr. Obama and her daughter had, too, by absentee ballot.

“Everyone around here voted for him,” she said.

The 53rd Assembly District, in Brooklyn, is represented by the borough’s Democratic chairman, Assemblyman Vito P. Lopez, another Clinton supporter. He said the party faithful have produced lopsided margins of as much as 160 to 4 and that on Primary Day he fielded election captains in every district to galvanize Hispanic voters for Mrs. Clinton.

“We ran it the old-fashioned way,” he said. Still, he said, the 118 to 0 vote “has to be a mistake.”

At the Archive, a cafe and video store on the border of Bushwick and East Williamsburg, the manager, Brad Lee, agreed. “There were Obama posters in everyone’s windows,” he said. “There was even Obama graffiti.”

Most election-night anomalies are later reconciled by the official canvass of the machines and in the formal count of absentee returns and of paper affidavit ballots issued on Primary Day, to people who do not appear to be eligible but demand the right to vote, and later validated.

On Feb. 5, Mrs. Clinton carried 61 of the state’s 62 counties but won Brooklyn by a margin of less than 2 percent. Because delegates are awarded proportionately on the basis of the primary vote in each Congressional district, Obama supporters expressed hope that if the official count continued in their favor, they might gain an additional delegate or two.

Kate Hammer and Robin Stein contributed reporting.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/n...&hp&oref=slogin

Um es klarzustellen: es wird noch immer gezählt und die Delegierten sind noch nicht abschliessend verteilt. Veröffentlicht wurden aber am 5. Februar die inoffizielle Zählung und die war offensichtlich schlicht falsch und dies einzig auf einer Seite. Aus welchen Gründen auch immer...
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Friday, February 15, 2008

Pelosi: Don't overrule the voters

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi -- who may be the most super delegate of all as chair of the Democratic national convention in Denver -- gave an interview with Bloomberg TV's Al Hunt in which she laid down the law for super delegates:

Don't veto the people's choice.

"I think there is a concern when the public speaks and there is a counter-decision made to that," she said, adding quickly, "I don't think that will happen."

She said the governors, lawmakers, DNC members and others picked as super delegates are chosen through a grassroots process and are accountable to the party's voters.

"I do think that they have a respect -- it's not just following the returns, it's also having a respect for what has been said by the people," Pelosi said. "It would be a problem for the party if the verdict would be something different than the public has decided."

That message will be music to the ears of Barack Obama, who's building a lead in pledged delegates and is urging the super delegates to follow the voters. He now leads 1,133 to 996 in pledged delegates, while Hillary Clinton has a 242-163 edge among super delegates, according to the latest tally by RealClearPolitics. Obama holds the overall edge, 1296-1238.

Pelosi had one more stunner in the interview: She said the Florida and Michigan delegates should not be seated if those delegates would decide the nomination.

"Well, I don't think that any states that operated outside the rules of the party can be dispositive of who the nominee is. That is to say they can't make the difference because then we would have no rules," she said.

Pelosi added, "But I do think that the best outcome for us is if one of the candidates pulls ahead and this issue is disposed of long before we get to the convention. We certainly don't want to ignore Florida and Michigan, but we can't ignore the rules which everyone else played by."

For a play-it-safe speaker who's pledged to stay neutral, these are sharp words. And she will be one of key referees if this fight isn't settled before Denver.

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....mal schaun wie dann die Realität ist

MMA Comments For The Week Beginning February 18 Written by Raymond Merriman Review and Preview

There are few areas of study that are more fascinating than the movement of planets through the zodiac and their correspondence to events affecting human activity. This, of course, is the study of Mundane Astrology. Of particular interest in this regard is the forthcoming election for the office of President of the United States. As indicated in prior columns, this year’s election will take place on November 4, 2008, the same date that the first of five passages of Saturn in opposition to Uranus will take place. In the study of Astrology, Uranus represents the unexpected, the new, and something unconventional that defies tradition or history. Saturn, on the other hand, represents tradition or history, the Establishment, the expected, or that which is planned for. The cycle of Saturn and Uranus is a 45-year periodicity. The last time the opposition occurred was in 1965-66, a time when the youth revolted against the values and laws of the Establishment throughout the world. The youth and minority groups found their power, and affected elections and governments in many countries, including the United States. Prior to that, this same aspect unfolded in a five-phase passage from 1918 through 1920, and a similar movement of the youth against the Establishment erupted, as did a society that was not about to obey the new laws of prohibition, let alone accept the lack of rights or opportunities to women any longer.

As we approach the election of 2008, many Mundane and Financial Astrologers have been wondering how this rare planetary phenomenon was going to play out this time. Would the first woman ever be elected as President of the United States? It seemed quite possible over the past year. But what didn’t seem possible was that a young African American could be elected to this post – not in the United States, not yet. But folks, this is Uranus. And out of nowhere just a few months ago, Barack Obama has now soared to become the leading candidate of the Democratic Party with 8 consecutive stunning primary victories in a row – many by double digit margins. Youth, minority group leader, charismatic…. he fits all the characteristics of Uranus. And who is Saturn? John McCain, potentially the oldest man ever to assume the role of President, and a candidate who wants to continue the mantle of the United States as the world’s sole military leader, even if it means remaining in Iraq for another 10,000 years according to post on YouTube (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gwqEneBKUs#). YouTube is one of the phenomenal social networking internet sites of today’s youth, referred to previously as an important social phenomenon in this column.

Can Barack Obama continue this surge right into the White House? Or are his recent victories a product of Mercury retrograde, a time when few trends makes it out alive, and he is about to encounter the realities of “reversals in life” as Mercury now resumes its direct motion this week? It is interesting to observe all this, especially in light of last week’s comments, which ended with, “As this two-year (Saturn-Uranus) aspect takes place, I think you will see the youth becoming more and more involved, just like they did 45 years ago when this aspect last occurred. But on Election Day itself, I think the Saturn part of this aspect holds reign… unless somehow the youth become active agents for change in the next couple of weeks, and show up to vote at the primaries and get someone in who is not recognized as “part of the Establishment.”

Right now, it looks like the youth are indeed getting involved. Let’s see what happens now that Mercury turns direct. Will Uranus represent the first minority race, or the first female ever to run as its party’s presidential nominee? Or will Uranus continue to cause the favorite of this election to change over and over again? Or both? Or maybe some other unexpected event will take place that will cause yet an entirely different dynamic that no one (or very few) has dared to think about. After all, Pluto is also now in Capricorn. There may be some forces lurking in the shadows that will do whatever it takes to maintain the traditions and history of the Establishment. They may see it as their calling. Whenever there is a new force of light that enters the awareness of the collective, you can almost anticipate that there will be an equal force of darkness to oppose it. That’s Uranus and Saturn too, with a bit of Pluto mixed in. After all, these three planets are moving towards a Cardinal T-Square as well. The “Empire Builders” are not about to give up their power easily. But they will eventually make colossal errors in judgment and lose their power as a result, as they have at similar junctures in history under similar signatures, especially when Pluto has transited through Cancer or Capricorn.

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Easy Answers Elude Mich., Fla. Delegates

By NEDRA PICKLER
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Saturday, February 16, 2008

MILWAUKEE -- Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton desperately wants meaningless wins in Florida and Michigan to turn into votes she can count on. It won't be easy with the Democratic National Committee rules standing in her way.

The DNC is refusing to back down from the tough sanctions it imposed on the two states, which held early contests in violation of party rules. They have been stripped of all their delegates to the national convention in August where either Clinton or rival Sen. Barack Obama will be nominated for president.

The DNC has offered Florida and Michigan a couple ways out in compliance with party rules. First, they could hold second nominating contests, but Democratic leaders in both states reject that idea. Or they can appeal to the DNC's credentials committee, a 186-member body that usually operates in obscurity and has a complicated membership and rules process that will require deft maneuvering in this divided campaign.

Just like the some 800 superdelegates, this committee could hold the cards in helping decide the Democratic nominee if the race stays close.

Obama said Friday that he wants Michigan and Florida _ two key states in the general election campaign _ to participate in the convention without affecting the outcome of the election. He did not provide specifics about conditions except to say it wouldn't be fair for Clinton to get the majority.

"I want to make sure that the Michigan and Florida delegates have the means to participate," he said at a news conference. "There are probably a whole slew of different solutions that could be come up with that would both achieve the interests of making sure that Michigan and Florida delegates participate without skewing the delegate count."

Clinton's campaign insists the delegates should be seated in accordance with more than 2 million votes cast in the two states last month.

"I think that the people of Michigan and Florida spoke in a very convincing way, that they want their voices and their votes to be heard," Clinton told reporters. "The turnout in both places was record-breaking and I think that that should be respected."

Clinton did not object to the DNC stripping the states of their delegates when the decision was made last year. Some of her backers were on the committee that made the decision to do so and actively supported it.

"Now, when they believe it serves their political interests, they're trying to rewrite the rules," Obama campaign manager David Plouffe said in a call with reporters.

As of Thursday, the delegate count stood at 1,280 for Obama and 1,218 for Clinton. If the DNC were to award Michigan and Florida's 313 delegates based on the vote in their primaries, she would be ahead because she won both states.

That would be unfair, Obama said, because the candidates had promised not to compete in those renegade states.

"I think even my 6-year-old would understand it would not be fair for Senator Clinton to be awarded delegates when there was no campaign," he told reporters Friday.

Clinton's operatives want DNC chairman Howard Dean to come up with a resolution, but Dean is staying out of the fight for now. Dean spokesman Karen Finney said Florida and Michigan still have a choice to follow the rules.

"At this point, there are still more than 1,000 pledged delegates to be determined and 33 percent of our party has yet to have the opportunity to have their voices heard, so it would be premature to speculate," Finney said. Dean declined an interview request.

On Friday, Florida House Democratic Leader Dan Gelber suggested on his blog that Democrats hold a vote-by-mail "runoff." That would mean all 4.1 million Florida Democrats would be mailed another ballot to vote for either Obama or Clinton. The state party, though, has said it is going to stick with the results of the primary vote. Part of the problem is cost _ it's estimated the party would need to spend about $4.5 million to hold the revote.

Most of the credentials committee members will be appointed by the Clinton and Obama campaigns, depending on how they perform in nominating contests across the country, with Dean having already named 25. Although Obama has won more contests so far, Clinton has won most of the larger states _ and larger states get more seats. So there's the potential for the committee to be closely divided if the race stays tight.

The credential committee would meet in July or August, and its decision would be in the form of a recommendation to all the delegates at the convention. They have a range of options to consider, including recommending reinstatement of all or some of the delegates divided any way they see fit between Obama and Clinton. The recommendation would become the first order of business at the convention on Aug. 25.

One Clinton adviser, speaking on a condition of anonymity, said there are no legal options to pursue in courts, which give parties wide latitude in crafting their rules.

The Clinton adviser suggested a compromise where perhaps the Michigan delegates could be split evenly among the two since Obama's name wasn't even on the ballot there. But the Florida delegates should be bound by the primary results, the adviser argued, because Obama's name was on the ballot in that case. The Illinois senator didn't have the option of removing it like he did in Michigan.

That's a compromise that the Obama campaign would be unlikely to accept without a fight. And Florida Sen. Bill Nelson, who has been leading the fight to get his state's delegates reinstated and is backing Clinton, said he doesn't think it will matter. He suggested he would just like to see the delegates seated, even if they aren't favoring Clinton.

He said he is encouraging the DNC to at least declare that the Florida delegates will be seated regardless of who they are awarded to so at least they can make their travel plans to go to Denver.

"The likelihood is one way or another we're going to know the nominee by late June at the latest, in which case it will be then moot about who the delegation is pledged to and all of that," Nelson said.

Michigan and Florida had moved up their dates to gain prominence in the presidential selection process, but ironically they would be more relevant if they had stayed put. Florida was originally scheduled to vote March 4 and Michigan on March 9, and both would no doubt have been pivotal in the hotly contested race between Clinton and Obama.

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Unofficial Tallies in City Understated Obama Vote

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17. Februar 2008, NZZ am Sonntag

Die Macher von Obama

Der Demokrat verdankt den Vorsprung in den Vorwahlen auch seinen Beratern

Als jung und unerfahren stellt Hillary Clinton ihren Gegner Barack Obama gerne dar. Nun hat er sie überholt – auch dank seinem gewitzten Team.

Andreas Mink, New York

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Man mag ja davon halten was man will, aber es mehren sich etwas die Zeichen dass Hillary selber nicht mehr damit rechnet nach dem 4. März wieder in Front zu sein. So hat sie ihren Wahlkampf in Wisconsin vorzeitig abgebrochen und ihr Kampagnenchef redet nun bereits vom Juni als Monat der Entschêidung. Nur: dann sind alle grossen Staaten durch. Gut sieht es für sie noch in Ohio und Pennsilvanya aus, dagegen wackelt offensichtlich Texas, die Nr. 2 hinter Californien.

Eine interessante Umfrage da El Paso fest in Händen der Hispanics ist und Hillary bis anhin auf diese Bevölkerungsgruppe zählen konnte :


El Paso Democrats split

By Ramon Bracamontes / El Paso Times
Article Launched: 02/17/2008 12:00:00 AM MST

El Pasoan Ruth Mojica-Hammer is being pulled in different directions in this year's Democratic presidential nomination race between Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Sen. Barack Obama.

Mojica-Hammer admits that her feminism and her Hispanic heritage draw her to Clinton.

But it's Obama who has won her over.

Mojica-Hammer is representative of the El Paso Times/News Channel 9 poll that shows El Paso Democrats are being pulled apart. According to the poll conducted Feb. 11-12 by The Reuel Group, 33 percent of the voters support Clinton and 32 percent support Obama.

Another third of the voters, or 35 percent, remain undecided, the poll states. The poll's margin of error is plus or minus 5.5 percentage points.

On the Republican side, voters who say they plan to vote in the GOP primary overwhelmingly support Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who has emerged as the party's front-runner.

Though 24 percent of voters polled confessed to being undecided, 674 percent said they support McCain compared with 8.3 percent supporting former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.

The Democratic results do not surprise El Paso Community College political science instructor Beatrice Chaslus-Cuartas...........

"I support Barack Obama because I am tired of war," said Mojica-Hammer, who has had family members in World War II, the Korean War, Vietnam and now the war in Iraq. "I really think he is the one who can make a difference there."

Despite the poll results, U.S. Rep. Silvestre Reyes, D-Texas, said he still thinks that Clinton will carry El Paso and Texas, and that she will do it easily.

"I've always said that she knows the issues and especially the border counties," Reyes said. "I'm surprised she didn't track much higher, but it may be that those who are undecided haven't focused on the race."

State Rep. Norma Chávez, D-El Paso, said the poll bodes well for Obama.

"It's great polling numbers considering that the Clintons had eight years in the White House and that Obama has yet to have a community introduction here," said Chavez, who is a member of Obama's Texas campaign. "This is a great place for Obama to be right now."

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Weiss auch nicht was der Sinn daran sein soll provisorische Resultate die derart lückenhaft sind zu veröffentlichen, ausser natürlich man denke wirklich an billige Tricks, ist ja die zweite Heimat von Hillary.

Identisches zählt übrigens auch für Kalifornien (erst 54-42% jetzt 52-43% für Clinton) und New Mexiko, da verblieb noch 1% Vorsprung für Hillary.
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Eine interessante Umfrage da El Paso fest in Händen der Hispanics ist und Hillary bis anhin auf diese Bevölkerungsgruppe zählen konnte :

....ich kann mir nicht helfen - aber ich meine ihr Bill hatte ihr da vor einiger Zeit gehörig in die Suppe gespuckt, natürlich beabsichtigte er das Gegenteil
ein Schelm, der böses usw. usw. (...ist aber mein ganz persönliches Empfinden - mag sein, dass ich total daneben liege )
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Da liegst Du wohl nicht daneben, Das Echo auf die Kommentare von Bill war katastrophal . Ist wohl eine Kombination aus allem etwas. Auf der einen seite ein begnadeter Redner mit einem super Team der nach anfänglichen Schwierigkeiten mittlerweile eine übervolle Kriegskasse verfügt, auf der anderen Seite ein desolates Wahlkampfteam mit diversen wichtigen Wechseln über die letzten Monate mit offensichtlichen Finanzproblemen an wichtigen Zeitpunkten. Ansonsten hätte Hillary den kleinen Überbrückungskredit aus der eigenen Kasse nicht benötigt. Die Reden von ihr sind an sich solide, die wären schon ok. Nur, bei dem Konkurrent . Dazu noch Bill und die Sache mit Michigan und Florida. Sind viele Faktoren und eigentlich ist noch gar nichts entschieden. Sind noch drei Wochen bis es wirklich wieder wichtig wird, da kann noch viel passieren. Mir persönlich kommt Obama etwaszu glatt durch derzeit, irgendwann kommt immer mal wieder eine Stolperfalle im Leben.
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Bill spars with Obama supporter

Posted: Sunday, February 17, 2008 5:21 PM by Mark Murray
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From NBC/NJ's Mike Memoli
CANTON, OH -- Robert Holeman came to Timken High School here today with a message to deliver to Bill Clinton. He did -- and he said the former president wasn’t happy about it.

Clinton spoke to a capacity crowd in this Northeast Ohio town, the third of five events today in the Buckeye State. He told voters that the contest was “the power of speeches against the promise of solutions by a world-class change maker.”

Throughout the event, as Clinton made his case for his wife, Holeman’s dissenting voice could be heard. At times he simply shouted Obama’s name. When Clinton would set up a sure applause line, Holeman could be heard heckling. As soon as Clinton finished speaking, the Canton native made a beeline to the ropeline to give Clinton a piece of his mind.

“I asked the president to please stop the bickering between the campaigns,” Holeman said in an interview afterwards. “All this name calling is like the bully in the yard. He can’t get his way, he can’t get nothing done.” Holeman said he thought Clinton was “gasping for air.”

“This is the last hurrah. After March 4, Hillary Clinton will be out of the race for good, and Obama will take the commanding lead,” he said. “She should back him with her delegates immediately. That’s what I’m asking them to do.”

Holeman said that Clinton responded by saying Obama came after him first. Holeman also described Clinton’s reaction to him as “irate.”

“I think he even hit me in the face with his hand,” he said. “He did give me a little pop. It was okay, because I understand his tenacity for his wife.” Clinton did engage Holeman for a few minutes, at times pointing directly at him. It was unclear whether he did make physical contact, however.

Holeman said he did support Bill Clinton during his campaigns, but that now the country wants a “new perspective.” “I think the president’s trying hoodwink us, bamboozle us, put us back in the okie doke,” he said. “He had eight years to do what he was supposed to do. All the things he said that she’s gonna do, he had the same authority that he wants her to have. Now if one Clinton, the male Clinton can’t get it done, how is Ms. Clinton [going to].”

Several Clinton supporters who saw the exchange came up to Holeman after to -- shall we say delicately -- express their disapproval for his actions. More negativity, Holeman said. “Hillary Clinton has started the most negative campaign I have ever seen, other than what the Republicans can launch,” he said. “I think we need to come together on those issues.”

*** UPDATE *** Obama spokesperson Ben LaBolt said Holeman was "absolutely not" a plant by the campaign. And a spokesperson for President Clinton who was near the president said there was no physical contact.
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....ziemlich confusing diese Art von Wahlkampf schadet den Demokraten sicher
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